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Auntee Rik is a trusted operations and systems specialist who has a knack for taking her clients businesses to the next level. Her no-nonsense, get-you-together approach is refreshing and reassuring to her clients and everyone she comes in contact with.

With experience in graphic and web design, operations, teaching, and radio, she’s able to take a client’s goals and needs and translate them into successful and running systems.

Affectionately known as “the Fairy Gawdmother of Hustle,” Rikki has transformed bland brands into works of art, made unworkable websites translate to cash and has implemented systems and processes that left her clients running to the bank. After putting her Auntee touch on the businesses she works with, some of her clients have gotten visibility and opportunities such as working with Rolls Royce, the Steve and Marjorie Harvey Foundation, being featured in publications such as The Huffington Post, Mashable and Black Enterprise and have even increased profits.

In this podcast episode, we discuss why systems and the customer experience need to be at the forefront of your branding efforts – not design as most people think. We talk about career cycles in life as well as why she’d like to have lunch with Pharell and Queen Latifah.

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In This Episode of the Start Fierce Business Podcast:

  • We discuss branding and why you’ll always be changing your visuals if you don’t have your systems down.
  • Auntee Rik talks about how you’re allowed to change your mind regarding your career and talks about being on her third career cycle.
  • We also talk about why Auntee Rik looks up to people such as Pharell in business as opposed to typical business thought leaders.

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Welcome to the show on Auntee Rik. Hey Cindy. What’s good? Welcome back. For those of you that don’t know Auntee Rik was on, I think like episode three or four, one of super early episodes of the podcast, which I’ll link to in the show notes, but tell us about yourself outside of your business. Oh my goodness. Well, the lat The first time I was on I was the mom of a high schooler, and now and the mom of a college graduate.

So it’s been a while and outside of that, who am I? I’ve had some time to think about it as an empty nester and I’m enjoying coming into my own fierceness. How about that and I’m finding joy in a project that was put on my heart five years ago.

It’s called chicks be trippin. But that might have to be another episode.

And I am now finding my footing which I had lost between the idea and the concept and the big dream. The long range goals for the last five years I was missing the in between. So I’m having fun discovering that and learning new skills and dusted off all skills and on the other side of it, learning what foods I can no longer eat as I get older. Some of the things I love don’t love me anymore. So it’s it’s I’m actually in the stage of rediscovery. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like a lot of the foods I love don’t love me anymore.

Yeah. Then that list as I get closer to as I get closer to 50 that look, that list gets shorter and shorter.

Wow. Tell us about your business and what you have going.

Are now okay so for the last 13 years, I have independently run a graphic and web design studio. And although I’ll still be doing some of that on a on a different scale that is now taking a backseat to it, Rick, the entity and what’s involved in that is putting the power behind the branding or putting the business behind the branding because especially since the start of 2018 Personally, I’ve run into situations where I fell in love with someone’s marketing and branding and the customer experience was horrible, not just not just this customer service but the whole total customer experience. And then I started noticing businesses of all sizes from you know, the micro businesses answers right up until franchises and really huge corporations in some area or the other I could tell where they were processes missing based on the outcome of an interaction I had based on comments I seen on social media and just having conversations with other people and it kept coming back to me coming back to me coming back to me in different forms and I’m like, okay so what am I supposed to be doing with this and that’s kind of part of my rediscovery period. And it has turned into me doing instruction and consulting and small part of dumpy you services as far as helping people to put the business behind the pretty branding and in the areas I focus on is total business.

Operation so not just a marketing and sales portion of business and the web and how the websites and how that marries in to operations, and then customer experience and getting through the whole full customer experience cycle. I love that. I love that so much. Because most of us creatives, we focus on making the brand look pretty, but a lot of the other stuff like we’re not so good at and maybe we don’t focus on it. So I love that you are focusing on helping people do that because there’s lots of people out there helping people make things pretty already. Yeah, and the problem with starting with making it look pretty is that you end up with a pretty brand that doesn’t match your brand’s personality. So I have avoided calling myself brand strategist for years because that’s not exactly what I do. But the premise even in the on the design side, the way I work is if you don’t have a business plan of some sort, and even if it’s a very like informal Look, this is what I do. This is who I do it for. And this is how much I want to make from it. And this is what I’m offering, if that’s all your business plan is, that’s fine. But if you don’t even have that I can’t design for you because one of two things or maybe three things are going to happen you’re not going to be satisfied with any design because you don’t even know the direction you want to go into.

So started with the look first and then try to marry it to the message after that’s when you find people rebranding every six months right.

So you’re you’re not going to find satisfaction and anything that’s design because you don’t even know what you’re looking for deep down. Something else that might happen is you don’t really see the value in the design work being done because you don’t know what’s involved because you haven’t taken the time to even scribble down what it is you want to do and and or researched the area in the direction you’re going into. And that also means that you may potentially and when I say you, I mean jump in general, you may potentially potentially not find the urgency or the or the priority for your involvement in your visual brand and process if that makes sense. I was doing this anyway with path design because we have to get you to a certain This is just the way I work but I had to get you to a certain point For to even make sense, because I can’t be creative if I’m frustrated because you don’t know what you want.

So let’s figure out what it is you’re trying to do first, and maybe you don’t need me. Maybe you can get away with a, b and c. And I’m not I’m not the or I should say, I am the type of person who is not afraid to say, Listen, you don’t need me for this, you can do this, this and this. Because in all honesty, for some people, especially those who are just starting out, you know, my rates might be a little hefty for them.

So my advice usually is when you’re first starting out, just do it yourself, because then you get a sense of what’s involved so you can pick someone more suited to what you need when when it is time to hire and so that you have a respect for the work that they’re doing. So when I first started out a lot of my clients And even now where people who were taken advantage of in some way shape or form and that’s because they didn’t know what they didn’t know and even now it just seems like there’s even more information overload and whole lot of generic advice and so you know when someone says well how much will it cost me for X amount of pages? What do you want on those pages? Oh, I don’t know what are you trying to do? Well I don’t know what I can’t give you an answer or they’ll say well I need a straightforward while I’m on anyone give me a straightforward answer because you can’t answer the question What is it you’re trying to do it’s not it’s really not a one size fits all situation yeah yeah I used to get the whole Just give me are priceless. And I’ll pick something I like but that’s not how it works. I don’t have a price right I have ranges in your my range is going to depend on what you need because five pages Is of just text and a few images, it it looks a lot different on the labor side than five pages that involve video integration integration with other platforms, do you need ink e commerce on one or two of those pages? What else you you need? And if you need e commerce, and there’s a whole bunch of other stuff that needs to be set up, are you legally set up to run this stuff? And unfortunately, just in the circles that I’ve been around, there’s a there’s a set of people who are going to into business for themselves and winning it and jumping on the info bandwagons of those who are popular and not always getting the correct information for their particular needs. And so here I am, I actually have a 20 plus year history in business operations on a government education and corporate level with global companies. So I have that plus my design experience plus some other experience that I have as a as a teacher and instructor. And so that’s where we aren’t at work. So I’m coming in as one of one of my colleagues the me the fairy godmother of hustle some years ago and I’m running with that.

That is a cute creative title. Yes, that’s a creative title. My official title is business operations and system specialist. So that’s the official title, but I’ve been called the fairy godmother of hustle. So I’m gonna, I’m gonna run with that and, you know, see where that takes me. But I really just want to help I really do want to help especially those who just don’t know where to turn and keep feeling lost part of that feeling lost because there’s no actual roadmap. Yeah, definitely. Because you can piece together things from this side and this Facebook Live and here and there. But it’s really hard to find a whole complete system because there’s a lot of stuff. It’s a lot of stuff. And where I come in, is that when we speak, I know what questions to ask you to get the answers that you need.

And then I am a, you know, some woman a product junkies, with the hair and skincare I am a software product junkie. So if is new and it comes out and I come across something new, I test it out, I can compare it to other things. And so you know, I may not know all the ins and outs of a particular platform but I can tell you that okay well my using the website example.

I can say, Well, listen, if all you’re doing is this thing, you should try this and save yourself some dollars. Again, I’m not afraid to send someone somewhere else if it’s a better fit for them, because there’s nothing like a client who feels like they wasted money on you. Even though they may love the job that you’ve done. It may be too much for them. And then if they find out after the fact or even feel after the fact that you really just took them on for the money and they feel bamboozled. And maybe you could have suggested something different. There’s a resentment there. I’ve seen it and I’ve experienced it.

And so just for transparency, fake, you know, like I say, I’m not afraid to tell them to put someone on to something else if it’s a better fit for them. So let’s move on to some kind of fun question. Hey, well, if you could have lunch with what I guess it’s not very fun, but it’s kind of fun for me if you could have lunch with one.

Business thought leader, who would it be? I don’t know if I’ll call him a business thought any day. I probably would call him a business moves leader. I really want to have lunch with for, oh, I really want to have lunch with for real.

Why? For because I’ve never had anybody mentioned him. He’s He’s a quiet beast. As far as his ventures go, I kind of fell off the following what he was doing train. But I find it interesting in the ventures he’s involved in, I will probably have just like a hip hop roundtable only because, because for a lot for a lot of, you know, the, the rappers and producers that I came up around and during those errors. I’m like look at y’all. Queen Latif is another one with flavor unit event. This happened for me like we Have it and crumpets and do tea and scones and all that. And by the way, already on the ice and crumpets domain, so don’t you try stay on top of it. But I’m going to make that happen for me is, I mean, there’s, there’s quite a few people. Latif is definitely one I and I tend to look at, um, I tend to look at the business event, the business ventures, I guess it could be adventurous to write, but the business ventures that don’t always make a lot of noise, but they’re very impactful and usually profitable, but definitely impactful, but it’s not something that everyone knows about. Yeah, cuz I definitely I didn’t really know much about him because I I don’t follow him aside from his music and then no one’s ever mentioned him on the show. Yeah, in the something I’ve read in an interview he did, I think it was With Fast Company and he he said something to the effect of making sure that women are in charge of ventures where he hires women or something like he has or comes across as having a respect for contributions that women make into business so that kind of endeared me to him a little bit more but he’s he’s someone that has always interested me so yeah i don’t know if i i don’t know if i really go the business thought leader route because most like I said, most of the people that I look at and fake studying don’t make a lot of noise outside of like the the talent that they have. Yeah, if I say that and I guess they would call them sleepers like the people that you just don’t, wouldn’t not even think.

About in a certain capacity, but they’re killing it in in in a different industry. So those are the those are the type of people I would probably lean toward plus hip hop like so what’s your favorite business book Who Moved My Cheese when I was finished at Bacardi that was part of my package and I read it and it took me maybe an hour and I didn’t put it down and it changed it changed a lot to me in in that little our that it took me to read it used to be a very voracious reader but it was definitely timely at the time it was given to me and I took it to heart and his stayed with me for 13 years I’ve never read that book but it’s always been on my to read list it’s so short a promise you okay I saw that I’m.

Usually really good at reading books this year I’ve sucked I haven’t even read like a quarter of the books that I want to read this year yeah i’m i’m very bad and I’m even though I tried to get back into habit it’s I take my reading and smaller doses now so if I can get through a chapter in a month I’m I feel like I’ve accomplished something I’m no longer beating myself up about that yeah yeah I’m saying I’m so busy so and I purposely set a lower goal this year for reading but I just because I knew it was gonna be a busy year I didn’t notice I didn’t know is going to be as busy though, right? Yeah, I just I just you know, I’m just like, Okay, I got a chapter done this month. Oh, and another one which is probably not one that as popular but as a Gen X sir.

Um, it hit home for me and it is called Get your beep off the couch. And it’s by April Walker who is the founder of walk aware which was one of if not the first street where lines in the 90s owned by a woman, not one of the first lines. But April Walker. Let me just see. Um, and she’s from Brooklyn and she’s pretty dope. She’s very dope. Um, she had you know, like to park and Wu Tang and everybody will walk aware back in the day and she’s actually reviving that but I just love her spirit as well. And she’s a pretty dope lady. But I got her book that one took me I read it between a Saturday No, I read it I read to her book in six hours and as a as someone who Starting kind of working back in the 90s and going through this transition of Okay, well, you know, I’m on my probably my third career cycle. Now I’ve been doing this a long time I had a pizza delivery service 33 years ago. Like that sounds weird to say. But one summer I learned how to make pizzas in school and we didn’t have pizza delivery where I live that summer and I made a little good Bitcoin, making pizzas and selling them to people on my mom’s job. That was like 33 years ago. But yeah, I’m on my third career cycle now. And there are some there’s a whole lot of mindset shifting that has to go on, especially if you’re someone who is always used to being or performing at a certain level and I’m being content Be seated at certain levels and certain things falling into place. If you did these steps, right?

There’s a generational mice mindset shift that needs to go on. And I really enjoy her book because it felt like someone understood me. Whereas a lot of the popular books out now don’t really speak my language, if that makes sense. So, and I’m sorry for the older arms, my English my English professor, my English high school teacher would cringe or right now but yeah, she’s it’s call Why can’t I find it now it’s called Get your bleep off the couch. There’s a donkey on the front her dad illustrate did her illustrations but yeah oh Walker. Jim’s I’m gonna I’m gonna check her book out because there’s one thing that I’ve actually been thinking about this Week and as when I was younger I used to think that I wanted to do something. And that was going to be like my forever career. And when I was in it and I’m like, nope, this isn’t it. This isn’t like my for everything. I was always looking for that for everything. But as I’ve gotten older and in my mid 30s is like, there isn’t a forever career. You’re always changing and that career can change. You don’t have to pick something for the rest of your life. Yeah, see, and, and that’s the thing like if there was one thing that I wish I could have learned earlier is that it’s not set in stone and you’re allowed to change your mind because that’s not something I can’t say that that was something I knew. And I can definitely say that that was not something I was given permission to do. Um, it’s just a whole lot culturally where I grew up what’s the norm, they’re generally gentle. ratio what am I trying to say? Cindy generation Gen Gen generation multiple generations yeah like this there was just a whole lot to battle so you know and then it wasn’t I was on a panel for some high school kids and it really does might have been like five or six years ago and it really didn’t click for me until someone said it but like you know the kids who know exactly what they want to do and be from time they’re like four or five years old it like that’s cool but the rest of us who who are not lifelong passion hunters we get to try out everything like the kids who know what they want to be a doctor or a lawyer or a best selling rapper front end time there for five years old. They have a focus and and I guess it feels like they found their purpose and As someone who hasn’t had that experience of pinpoint, I want to do exactly this when they’re so young. I think we end up feeling like we’re lost. We don’t know what our purpose is. We can’t find our passion. And I don’t know what my purpose in life is. How do you find your purpose? And I’m sorry to go off on a tangent here, Cindy, but okay. You know, I work off of what I feel in my spirit.

But the beauty in not knowing or thinking you don’t know what your purpose is, is that you get to try so many different things. You don’t have to be married to it in order to find your purpose. And for me, that period of time between my moving to Atlanta and maybe a shoot even up until I started six week trip in five years ago, I was passionless so people were talking to me like you should profit from yourself.

I’m I’ll have a passion What do you mean because there was so many things that were that were one other people’s bucket list I had been done and God did that. Been there, done that. And it’s cool to check stuff off your bucket list. But when you get to the end of the bucket list, it’s like then now would and being unemployable for whatever reason I’m not not because of lack of skill just because it just wasn’t popping into time for me and I that’s how I ended up being an entrepreneur because I had to I became a half to printer right. So between that and then moving countries because I also move had just recently moved back to the states thing, being a single mom having to think differently, have it to have a cultural mindset, mindset shift all of that and then having checked all those things off the bucket list and then being like, what’s next? And I checked As much as many different things as I could, it just so happened that on one of the only vacations I’ve had in the last 13 years, what I realized was the common denominator across all the things I had experience. And that common denominator was I’m happy is and I feel more at peace when the people I interact with have an aha moment and something clicks and whether it was a good interaction or not so good interaction because I’ll put that onto I got the name on it because I keep it real with you.

You may not always like what I have to tell you. I i’ve as I’ve gotten older, I’ve tried to make my delivery a lot more palatable. However, some things you just have to come out so it would, whichever manner it happening, whether you felt it was a good interaction or not so good action at the end of the day, if you are more enlightened and able to move forward, then I’m at peace with that. And there’s some people who will never speak to me again. But just based off of things they’ve done since I know that what they took my words to heart, and that’s where I found out with a piece. So that became my purpose. I’m, I’m here to help enlighten people. But it took me almost 10 years to figure that out. Because I couldn’t move forward because I wasn’t doing anything different. Right. So yeah, like, I get that it. That’s why the book resonated with me so much because she talked about she talks about things that I can relate to as far as well, this is what I used to do. And when I was doing it, I was really good at it. And then this happened, and this happened and this happened and this happened for whatever reason, but now I’m finding my footing again, you know, so if and it’s a it’s a. It’s a very easy read. It’s a very fast read. I know I can relate to it because I was living in New York during the 90s, the early, late 80s, early 90s. So it hit home even more for me, because some of that stuff like I was right in the middle of it.

Sorry, I didn’t mean to do that. No, it’s okay. It’s okay. You know, it’s cool. I actually came when I was in to New York, but I moved from Puerto Rico to here in the late 80s.

So going through this culture shock to around the same time that you were going through it because Island life is super different, I mean, Mm hmm. But even even now, it’s way different from back in the 80s, but it was very conservative very still to this day, because you still have you know your elders.

Who passed on to no fault of their own? You know, and and that that era of your younger than me, so you don’t know what you’re talking about. So I’m not listening to you. Right. Exactly. And yeah, like it’s a whole other set of battles when you’re crossing cultures on top of that. And so the main part is just to know that it happens. And that’s it. Like, you have to shed that on top of shedding other, you know, blocks to your beliefs. But it helps when you know that other people are banging their head against the wall to thing thing. Well, the cool thing about it is these days, you can hop on Facebook, you can hop on LinkedIn, Instagram, Snapchat anywhere and meet other people exactly like you who are going through the same things you’re going through and get support. Yes, only if you if you share if you keep it to yourself and you think you’re the only person with those problems and you’re just going to be suffering for longer Yes.

Let’s not think of them as problems. They’re like their unique issues or you know, just a little different than the norm. I like being different from the norm though because I’m pretty sure your listeners I’m like, Who is this lady?

I don’t sound refined and I’m okay with that.

You know I used to rock with the best of them in the C suite but that’s that’s one thing I do love from my corporate employment history. My employers rock with me and my being so different from them they would look at me inside I me and shake their head but they rock with me I can but then again, I’ve never worked full time in America. So he’s like when I really think about it. I’ve never had a full time job in the States. All my jobs here have been, you know, part time or We’ll just part time but I’m some very fortunate that my corporate experience was not tainted not to say that it was wasn’t without issue. And I didn’t experience certain things, but the good days far outweighed the bad days and the benefits and the pay far as will often hear, you know, I’m grateful for that experience and that I can share it. Um, but, you know, if we talk about this stuff more, and then people know, like, Okay, I’m just a little different, but I’m not the only one. What is your favorite internet resource or app that just makes your life easier? And do you have to pick one and really funny really, just one the upside Oh, and it’s easy to pick. You know why? Because it makes me money. It saves me time and it makes me money and they keep getting better and better every day. Well I’m every day but just so happens that the day we’re taping this, they had a major release. And yeah, it keeps getting better as I’ve been a I’ve been a subscriber since February of 2017 and I do not regret one penny spent As matter of fact light within 90 minutes of me sending out my first proposals I had to booked inside and clients and by booked inside, I mean contract sign invoices paid on the day, I decided I was I had a pedicure in a minute. Let me go have a pedicure. Now sitting in a pedicure chair. And as I was going to check out I had two notifications of invoices paid in contract sign um. And that’s the other part like it’s so beautiful when when set up properly with the upside to not only Does it do all of those things? It has replaced like seven apps for me because it does my leads. It does proposals. Well, of course I set them up, but it does my proposals. I can take questionnaires and surveys. I can do contracts. I can do subcontracts. I can issue invoices will take payments. And they have a little project management situation going on in there. They have a client portal and all of that is less than Well, I guess by the time this runs, it’ll be about $30 a month, which is ridiculously I shouldn’t say ridiculously low. But in comparison, there was a there was a site I use for electronic signatures that for I believe, $59 a month. I could do maybe three contracts a month at the time. The upside O is on limited for $30 a month now.

So, um, but yeah, I’ll pay. I picked that one as a as my favorite. Because the money I spend on it, it makes me back easily and it makes my life easier and my website can work for me 24 seven literally, I love that you have an integrated with your website. Yep. The lead form. Um, the lead form is on my website as a contact form it looks like a contact form, right? And people can pick a package and and if you have it set up properly or not properly, but if you have it set up, you can set up workflows that automate a whole bunch of stuff based on next steps. So I can actually you know, have a lead and and if that lead chooses, they want to do brand design, I can send them a service guy for brand design and from that service guy for brand design, they can decide what they want now, my brain My God.

Needs to be done in such a manner that entices someone to want more information. Right. But then they can choose which option they want. And based on the option they choose, the invoice can be issued. And based on the option they choose, I can assign a payment schedule to it so that it takes the deposit now and then it will build them every month for the next three months if that’s you know what I want and then from there it can have them signers service agreement or contract and then from there once everything is time and pay for it can send them the entrance to the client portal, which means that every email that I sent to them is in their their invoices in their contracts in there. I can send them proof sheets and it’ll be in their client portal. They don’t have to email me at one o’clock in the morning. They can just log into their client portal and what they need is there let’s say they are launching on September 1. I can set it up so Next year on September 1, it sends them a happy anniversary on your launch email, like it’s so and that’s part of what I’m doing under the anti Rick entity is, is helping people set up. Like I said their operations there was I in their customer experience so that if they want to automate parts of their business to save them time and money down the road it’s easy and the great thing is I don’t build for the platform I built for your business. So no matter what platform you’re using, once we’re finished working together, you can take that to whatever platform you want to use. And it’s done in such a manner that you know, people like I don’t like to automate. It’s not personal, but I’m sure you know, as I know that that’s not always the case. Automation doesn’t have to mean impersonal. Yeah, if it’s done right, it can be very powerful.

But also um, everybody automates all your big companies that you think are sending you personal emails are not. No they are not personal Apple it just looks that way. So yeah if in I’m open to working with big and small businesses How about that the solo printers and the people of 100 employees or 1000 or 10,000, we can do it online we can do it as a group online you can fly me in I’m not shy about that. Well, where can we find you online working users find your mind was your website? Where do you hang out on social media the most on T Rick A u n t e r ik.com? I am on T Rick on Instagram and Twitter and there isn’t onto Rick page on Facebook coming Yeah, I shall be on LinkedIn soon. But if you go to aunteerik.com that’s what I pay for it for that’ll tell you how to get everywhere and maybe I’ll just you know do a little page just for your listeners so they can give some of the good good awesome and I will include that in the show notes if you do decide to do that yeah our um maybe I will do that hi welcome page and the resources that talked about that’ll be super nice okay and before we before I forget because you know I’m have a certain need um I think April will be dope to have on now that I’m thinking about it April April Walker the author of the book oh I was like April I’m gonna it’s okay I think let me find her I’m sorry to cause you my editing oh it’s okay soccer with God Urban fashion. Yes, she is.

She’s a she’s legendary, because she was the online when it came to street where she was the only woman but yes, she, um, she would be doll she would be adult gas so yeah I’m gonna I’m gonna send you out the me on instagram she’s also she’s also into the man I wanted this okay she’s also a part of a group of women in that industry and you said she’s bringing the clothes back I see her website. Yeah, she’s doing a new line for the fall because you know now like all the kids are into, like the 90s gear now. Yeah. And that movie they did about Tupac, they had, cuz Tupac was like, one of the larger the biggest stars that we’re wearing her line Um, and so like people start Seeing and she did a lot of hockey shirt I think the naughty by nature hockey shirts from the hip hop around hey I remember those yeah I used to want one it That’s her will that’s based on her style okay when I found it when I found out who she was tell her I sent you I actually featured her as well on my Women’s History Month on the sweet 369 Instagram I didn’t I just think she’s though I didn’t realize all those years that that was a woman and then so like my boyfriend is a street where he’s been in urban street where for years like around the same time as they were but his was local to Baltimore kind of he got some shirt placements and videos and stuff too but he did a lot of art he used to do artwork for like echo and rock aware and a bunch of them so we were talking and he said yeah cuz she will she He’s like, walk away a pro for a walk. aware. Fine. What are you talking about? And I didn’t realize it was her like, it was a woman all that time. I mean, and we’re around the same age. It’s crazy to me. She follows Gary Vee.

Yeah, she’s she’s a she. I think she’s pretty cool. She’s about her business. But I think she’s pretty cool. I think she would be interesting you know, just to give a different perspective I’m not you know, I’m not from the startup crew so that’s fine. I don’t want to do from the start to not wanted like, I’m not a Silicon Valley sound. Yeah, probably not what these people expect, but I’m definitely what they need.

You can quote me on that one.

I am so regarding cuz Imma keep some of this but also because I haven’t said bye.

Alright so I’m gonna I’m going to close it well Auntee Rik, thank you so much for sharing your story and so much knowledge with us today. Thank you so much for having me again. You know every time we get on the line, I don’t know how to shut up.

We gotta do this more often when I change, you know, if I decide to change directions in the podcast and do more informative type things. I think we should do this more often. We could maybe do that.

Cindy Rodriguez is the host of the Start Fierce Business Podcast. When she’s not interviewing awesome entrepreneurs, she’s working on growing her startup, going to Disney World with her daughter, or reading a book.

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